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Vadterland
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Founded: Jul 12, 2018
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Postby Vadterland » Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:08 am

People just being completely unable to read factbooks and immediately judging a nation in full by either their flag or by a ridiculously short skimming of overview content. Say someone is trying to create a nation that is a subversion of a trope/premise done absolutely to death, but anyone who comes across it gives it the vaguest possible read and goes 'Yep, this is literally just another X with absolutely zero elements that set it apart from its counterparts'.

No, I'm not bitter that's happened to me. Shut up.
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In a strange world not so different from ours, a young empire stands in the heart of Europa. Born and forged in the fires of war, and headed by an embittered Kaiserin and her ambitious generals. Stretched to a breaking point and groaning under the stress and hubris of its past victories, the Fatherland stands on guard. But on the forefront of a new world, fighting a new war from without and within, will it survive?

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Federal Remnants
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Ex-Nation

Postby Federal Remnants » Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:08 am

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Continental Free States
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Founded: Oct 28, 2021
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Continental Free States » Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:10 am

The Onox Legion wrote:Nice try, but even if someone were to use Summerposter correctly, you are one of those who would still fall under it.
Your attempts at looking good by attacking bad tropes are rather emberassing to watch.
Maybe try to improve your writing ability and start a new, non-generic Right-Wing Americawank next time instead of attempting to pretend that what you created has any merit.

Point of order, whatever flaws TAR's worldbuilding and setting might have, he's still... not by any means a summerposter or even a more generic "low effort poster" (which we use with summerposter interchangeably at this point given how the whole site's been in an eternal summer for like 2 years at this stage).
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Vadterland
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Founded: Jul 12, 2018
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Postby Vadterland » Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:15 am

If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, walks like a duck, and vomits out the same modern-America but it elected my preferred geriatric so it's now an invincible hyperpower and all my country's largest potentially geopolitical rivals are either unflinching and powerful allies, comically stupid, or just dead in the water with barely even decent justification, I am going to treat it accordingly.
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The Germanian Empire | "Unser Vaterland, Herr der Asche..."
Factbooks | Music | Tech Level: PT/FanT | Current Year: 1942 AE

In a strange world not so different from ours, a young empire stands in the heart of Europa. Born and forged in the fires of war, and headed by an embittered Kaiserin and her ambitious generals. Stretched to a breaking point and groaning under the stress and hubris of its past victories, the Fatherland stands on guard. But on the forefront of a new world, fighting a new war from without and within, will it survive?

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United States Marines
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Ex-Nation

Postby United States Marines » Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:21 am

Vadterland wrote:No, I'm not bitter that's happened to me. Shut up.
Aren't you the guy who exploded over a single goofy ping about your flag and called everyone on a server "communists" simply because the head honcho was a spastic ML whose orders were sporadically followed for the lols?

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Vadterland
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Postby Vadterland » Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:23 am

United States Marines wrote:
Vadterland wrote:No, I'm not bitter that's happened to me. Shut up.
Aren't you the guy who exploded over a single goofy ping about your flag and called everyone on a server "communists" simply because the head honcho was a spastic ML whose orders were sporadically followed for the lols?

No, I left the server because I didn't care terribly for the people there and I wasn't actually on there all that much. I called the entire server communists long before that because the communist humor was relentless ironic or not, and I didn't explode either. At most I got annoyed by a stupid ping.
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The Germanian Empire | "Unser Vaterland, Herr der Asche..."
Factbooks | Music | Tech Level: PT/FanT | Current Year: 1942 AE

In a strange world not so different from ours, a young empire stands in the heart of Europa. Born and forged in the fires of war, and headed by an embittered Kaiserin and her ambitious generals. Stretched to a breaking point and groaning under the stress and hubris of its past victories, the Fatherland stands on guard. But on the forefront of a new world, fighting a new war from without and within, will it survive?

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M1AE2 Crusader Tank
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Ex-Nation

Postby M1AE2 Crusader Tank » Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:25 am

Gandoor wrote:Really at the end of the day the biggest problem is that people just take this game way too seriously.

This is an extremely basic and satirical web game based on some Aussie dude's (honestly not that good) political satire novel that just happened to gain an audience of fuckin losers people interested in politics, nation building, etc. because the basic nature of the gameplay itself meant that they could develop their nations as they wanted on the discussion forums.

It ain't that serious folks.


I'm going to keep it real with you Gandoor
If the AN above me has given such a generic thing to react to that it's a chore to find something interesting to say, I'm no longer having fun.

So even by that logic, having some sort of quality control isn't a bad thing.
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Brettenwald
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Brettenwald » Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:27 am

I feel like it's important for the "effortposter" community to remember their roots. (Full disclosure: I do not consider myself one since I generally stay off F7 anyway, but I run a Discord server with a lot of people who like this board so I know what I'm talking about.) You do have people like Texkentuck, ZN, Free Ravensburg, etc.; the kind of posters where you have to ask yourself "why are these people even here" who make up let's say 50% of the population, and you've got the kind that post three times before getting bored and leaving that's about 20%. In the 30% that's left, you have committed posters like ValZ, Synne, Foehn, Wormfodder, Hyrule, Las Palmeras/TSP, Kiu Ghesik, Batavia, Tsaivao and many others who occupy a beloved niche in the community and are a reliable source of fantastic content. The problem, in my opinion, is that there are some people among us who see that collective 50% as uniformly irredeemable and forever destined to be shit. This is a valid position though only mostly true. I say "mostly true" because occasionally you can find users like Langenia who were accepted by the community, got some mentorship, and got a lot better at RPing. That's what we need to do: find users with potential and help them use it effectively. We were all noobs once, so ask yourself if you'd want to be shit on by a community you genuinely wanted to be a part of.
Gandoor wrote:Really at the end of the day the biggest problem is that people just take this game way too seriously.

This is an extremely basic and satirical web game based on some Aussie dude's (honestly not that good) political satire novel that just happened to gain an audience of fuckin losers people interested in politics, nation building, etc. because the basic nature of the gameplay itself meant that they could develop their nations as they wanted on the discussion forums.

It ain't that serious folks.

This is also an important thing to remember. It's just a game, my dudes/dudettes/spiritually dudelike nonbinary entities. We're just here to have fun and share our brainrot with other creative types. Why be such a spoilsport?

TL;DR take a chill pill and be kind to one another.
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Valentine Z
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Valentine Z » Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:32 am

So I am a bit sleep-deprived but hey, here's how. ♥

I can absolutely see where Gandoor is coming from, in all fairness. In all honesty, I will admit that I got a bit peeved with your comment, though not because I am defending the site (well, not that fully). It's just that I had a lot of fun with you guys and there are a lot of people I would not have met had it not for here. With that said, I do admit that there are a lot of times (thankfully in the past) where I got annoyed when I didn't get the post I wanted. Over the time? Shrug, live, then let live. Remember that we were, at one point, beginners and newbies.

So here's a fun little fact about me: When I got here the first time, my flag was a variant of Luxembourg with rainbow confetti sprinkled all over it, and it was getting close to just being a nondescript European supernation (a bit like EU).

So... yeah! I personally think it's okay to enjoy each other's company and appreciate the work of one another, but at the same time, remember not to blow a fuse too hard (and it's rich coming from me, I know). Unless you too are kickstarting your own franchise or your own work, to which is another story for another time. Me, I'm just here now for great times and to write as a hobby.
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Gandoor
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Gandoor » Wed Feb 16, 2022 9:33 am

Vadterland wrote:People just being completely unable to read factbooks and immediately judging a nation in full by either their flag or by a ridiculously short skimming of overview content. Say someone is trying to create a nation that is a subversion of a trope/premise done absolutely to death, but anyone who comes across it gives it the vaguest possible read and goes 'Yep, this is literally just another X with absolutely zero elements that set it apart from its counterparts'.

No, I'm not bitter that's happened to me. Shut up.

Gandoor: *canonically has a red flag with yellow stars on it*

A good chunk of people on this site: OMG they are Stalinist dictatorship/Soviet puppet state/Eastern European communist dictatorship/Maoist China with no freedoms, speaks Russian or Chinese, mandates state atheism, and sends people to gulags or labour camps!!!

Like honestly even in a thread where you're supposed to judge exclusively by the flag or something, at least try and be more creative.
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United States Marines
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Ex-Nation

Postby United States Marines » Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:05 am

Brettenwald wrote:I feel like it's important for the "effortposter" community to remember their roots.
TL;DR take a chill pill and be kind to one another.
The question is who exactly is gonna spearhead helping out the summies? One good look at the effortposter clique and you already hit an unbreakable wall where no has the time nor patience to teach anyone the ropes and do the condemned even want to in the first place is another question.

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The Realm of Hyrule
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Realm of Hyrule » Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:09 am

The question is who exactly is gonna spearhead helping out the summies? One good look at the effortposter clique and you already hit an unbreakable wall where no has the time nor patience to teach anyone the ropes and do the condemned even want to in the first place is another question.


Well, I think it is important for those people to just take comments we give them in their stride, you know?
They don't need complete mentoring to improve, that is for sure...
But I will not lie, the drive to be cordial enough to summies that we don't scare them off necessarily is kind of... Not here.
I am guilty for being a bit bashful, but I try to provide something to them if they ask...

It is simple to improve here... Write more stuff in your factbooks and write more stuff on the forums. I think most of the legwork, in that case needs to be done by the person in charge of their own nation themselves, not really us, if you understand where I'm coming from.
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Gandoor
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Gandoor » Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:27 am

Really speaking as someone who has been posting on these forums for over 11 years the real answer is to just stop caring about other people's content so much.

If they're having fun, that's fine. Don't get mad because they're not conforming to some arbitrary 'standards' in posting.

And if you're really bothered by it? Well, use the foes list. It exists and is free.
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Yooper High Kingdom
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Benevolent Dictatorship

Postby Yooper High Kingdom » Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:38 am

ppl really do be making 'i hate this site' their entire personality tho
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Greater Vanguard Cult
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Greater Vanguard Cult » Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:48 am

Yooper High Kingdom wrote:ppl really do be making 'i hate this site' their entire personality tho

you
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Yooper High Kingdom
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Postby Yooper High Kingdom » Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:50 am

Greater Vanguard Cult wrote:
Yooper High Kingdom wrote:ppl really do be making 'i hate this site' their entire personality tho

you

yo mama
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Greater Vanguard Cult » Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:50 am

United States Marines wrote:
Vadterland wrote:No, I'm not bitter that's happened to me. Shut up.
Aren't you the guy who exploded over a single goofy ping about your flag and called everyone on a server "communists" simply because the head honcho was a spastic ML whose orders were sporadically followed for the lols?

im not an ML this is slander i aim to make stalin look like an anarchist
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WE HAVE NOWHERE LEFT TO GO BUT FORWARDS.

In the midst of large-scale galactic colonisation, an esoteric socialist star-state struggles against insurgencies on its periphery in a desperate bid for galactic domination.
South Reinkalistan's incredibly cursed FT canon. Welcome to the future: it's a terrible place to be.


Under heavy WIP.

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Ex-Nation

Postby M1AE2 Crusader Tank » Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:54 am

Gandoor wrote:And if you're really bothered by it? Well, use the foes list. It exists and is free.


The foe list doesn't solve the problem...
You still get sh#t responses and whoever is next HAS to respond to the f#*king summie...

You don't see it, but honestly ain't that worse?
And letting summies "Have their fun" is a dumb mentality... Because people who actually care about this place are now having it worse...
It doesn't take much to post a couple of meaningful sentences on the intensive F7 threads, to skim through a factbook so you know what the f#*k you're talking about, and when they don't it ruins the fun for everybody but them

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Zeloria
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Zeloria » Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:57 am

M1AE2 Crusader Tank wrote:
Gandoor wrote:And if you're really bothered by it? Well, use the foes list. It exists and is free.


The foe list doesn't solve the problem...
You still get sh#t responses and whoever is next HAS to respond to the f#*king summie...

You don't see it, but honestly ain't that worse?
And letting summies "Have their fun" is a dumb mentality... Because people who actually care about this place are now having it worse...
It doesn't take much to post a couple of meaningful sentences on the intensive F7 threads, to skim through a factbook so you know what the f#*k you're talking about, and when they don't it ruins the fun for everybody but them


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UIJ
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby UIJ » Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:03 am

The Celestial Shurayu Republic wrote:

Very true!
I am tired of summies :alas:
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Anti: if your lore so much as fucking dare mention the US, UK, Russia, Japan, or Germany I will throw radioactive hoosh shit all over you and everyone and everything you have ever loved

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The Batavia
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Batavia » Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:04 am

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Estado Americano de Espana
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Estado Americano de Espana » Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:04 am

Zeloria wrote:
M1AE2 Crusader Tank wrote:
The foe list doesn't solve the problem...
You still get sh#t responses and whoever is next HAS to respond to the f#*king summie...

You don't see it, but honestly ain't that worse?
And letting summies "Have their fun" is a dumb mentality... Because people who actually care about this place are now having it worse...
It doesn't take much to post a couple of meaningful sentences on the intensive F7 threads, to skim through a factbook so you know what the f#*k you're talking about, and when they don't it ruins the fun for everybody but them


Least elitist effortposter

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The Onox Legion
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Postby The Onox Legion » Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:08 am

In retrospect, I might have confused parts of TAR with the slew of other American Template nations.
I'll apologize for that, but that's kinda one of the problems with the generic clones, they'll do blend together and are hard to keep apart unless they do something really special.

Also, if I see someone put more effort into their posts, I am perfectly willing to give credit where it is due.
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Raiding, destruction, partying are all part of the program.
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Postby Terran American Republic » Wed Feb 16, 2022 11:16 am

The Onox Legion wrote:In retrospect, I might have confused parts of TAR with the slew of other American Template nations.
I'll apologize for that, but that's kinda one of the problems with the generic clones, they'll do blend together and are hard to keep apart unless they do something really special.

Also, if I see someone put more effort into their posts, I am perfectly willing to give credit where it is due.

Difference between mine and most is I actually put effort into my lore and am still trying to develop/improve it. The TAR is a major project that will take months to complete, so, there's a lot to do.
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